Over recent days, a friend of mine has
engaged in an exchange of emails with one of the councillors. She did so hoping the councillor would
shed some light (sorry, I couldn’t resist it) on why she voted to approve the
application to construct an oversized shed at Lewis Road.
My friend has kindly forwarded those emails
to me. There are several of them,
and they take up a fair bit of space, so rather than publish them in full I’ll extract
what I believe are the councillor’s main reasons for voting as she did, adding my
(italicised) comments in square brackets.
Statements enclosed in double quotation
marks come from advice the councillor received directly from the Shire
administration.
I’ll round off my observations with a brief
survey of some relevant cases at law.
First Reason: ‘Planning policies
aren’t binding’
Planning policies, unlike administrative
policies, are not binding on Council.
Instead, councils are bound “to have due regard to the provisions of the
policy and the objectives of which [sic] the policy is designed to achieve
before making its decision”.
Those objectives are twofold: to “provide
flexibility for outbuilding size, construction and materials” to meet
residents’ needs, and to “ensure that outbuildings are constructed and located
in such a way as to minimise their impact on the amenity of the locality”.
The objectives are binding, even though
policy isn’t.
In one of her emails, the councillor says:
‘…over the past week I have come to a new understanding of of the flexibility
of planning policy, especially as it applied to the approval of the shed—that
it wasn’t as prescriptive as I had first thought’.
[My
response: In that case, why bother to have planning policies at all? Why not
just ‘have regard’ to the objectives?
The
relevant policy as it stands has flexibility programmed into it by way of a 5%
leeway. Commonsense would suggest
that this leeway is intended to define the absolute limits of what Council will
exercise discretion to approve while the policy stands.
What
exactly is meant by ‘flexible’, if a proposal is allowed to exceed the stated
degree of variation that a policy defines?
And how
far does ‘due regard’ extend? Surely
the point of a planning policy is so far as possible to set objective standards
for what developments are permissible and for determining their likely impact
on present and future amenity? ‘Due
regard’ is so vague as to be almost meaningless. It gives too much scope for subjective judgement.
Allowing
subjective judgement—i.e. ‘discretion’— to prevail overmuch in planning matters
is dangerous. It makes nonsense of policy (and policy objectives) and offers
opportunities for cronyism and other more serious forms of corruption.
Please
don’t tell me those sorts of things are entirely unknown in York and elsewhere
in WA. Remember the Balladong
pool!
The
councillor’s ‘new understanding’ gives excessive preference to subjective
judgement over objective standards.]
Second Reason: Anomalies
The councillor follows the Shire planner in
saying that outbuildings on residential lots (R10) are permitted a higher wall
height than on rural residential lots (R5/10), despite residential lots being
smaller.
This, she says, is an anomaly that Council
intends at some stage to put right.
[It
is an anomaly, and it’s good that something is to be done about it. I would agree that there is scope here
for the rational exercise of discretion based on objective standards that apply
in comparable situations.
Perhaps,
though, it’s better to change the policy formally rather than simply to
disregard it. There are few things
more destructive of public confidence in an elected body than perceptions of
favouritism or bias.]
Council also intends ‘to revise existing
planning policies to make them more flexible and suited to the needs of our
community’.
[Substitute
the buzzword ‘flexible’ with the homely word ‘elastic’, and up goes a red flag
and off goes a warning bell. I ask
again, how flexible is ‘flexible’? Doesn’t policy already allow for a
reasonable degree of flexibility?
Under
a different council or administration, could greater ‘flexibility’ result in the
effective abandonment of objective standards in favour of ad hoc
decision-making for the benefit of family, friends, and even well heeled
companies and corporations? You
bet it could!]
Third Reason: Lifestyle
‘People come to the country…to enjoy a
different lifestyle, often with more space around them, as well as
animals. This often involves
machinery, equipment and vehicles not needed on smaller blocks, all of which
require shelter. Therefore, I
appreciated the flexibility being applied to this shed application that would
allow an extra 102 sq m for such a purpose.’
[Yes,
councillor, we do expect to enjoy a more relaxed and spacious lifestyle in the
country than in the city—but there have to be prescribed limits to what that
expectation may entail.
Nobody
detests the nanny state more than I do, but a neighbourly existence is hardly
possible if my relaxed and spacious lifestyle intrudes too severely upon my
neighbour’s right to live in reasonable comfort and peace. Tolerance is a great thing, but
selfishness isn’t.
For
example, it seems reasonable to regulate the number of hens permissible on a
residential lot, even a fairly large one.
Chickenfeed attracts mice, and chicken poo attracts flies.
Inevitably, the more chickens you have,
the more mice and flies they will attract, to the annoyance and discomfort of
the neighbours—though in the case of mice, probably to the delight of the
neighbours’ cats.
Again,
it seems reasonable to regulate the number of roosters on a residential lot, or
even to exclude them altogether. As
it happens, I enjoy the matutinal crowing of a single rooster. Many years ago, when my wife and I were
living in Bayswater, we had a pet rooster named Trotsky who was very self-disciplined
in his crowing regime and excited neither comment nor complaint.
But multiple
roosters sharing accommodation tend to set one another off, and to crow all
day, and keeping more than one may amount to a strident declaration of war on
surrounding residents.
In
those circumstances, if Council says ‘only one rooster’ or even ‘no roosters’
it isn’t being inflexible or tyrannical, it’s exercising a proper and
democratic concern for other residents.
As
for the flexibility applied to the cumulative floor space of outbuildings on
the Lewis Road property—we’re not talking of a little bit of flexibility here,
but of an increase of almost 70%, which is way over the top.
If
every neighbouring property in the rural residential zone were to follow suit—and
who could now deny them the opportunity—then as my friend Roma Paton has
written, the place would end up looking like Kewdale.
So on
what basis do you welcome that degree of flexibility? Please don’t tell me you have a friend who wants to build an
oversized shed on land zoned residential…]
And now for something
completely different—a quick look at the law
The overwhelming view of the courts in
recent decades has been that while authorised decision-makers may have a degree
of discretion in applying policy, departures from policy should be ‘cautious
and sparing’ and occur only for ‘cogent reasons’ (Re Drake v Minister for Immigration and Ethnic Affairs (No 2) (1979) 2
ALD 634).
We know what ‘cautious and sparing’ means—‘not
reckless, not often and not very much’—but what about ‘cogent’? Macquarie, Australia’s national
dictionary, defines cogent as
‘…compelling assent or belief; convincing; forcible’, and cogency as ‘…power of proving or producing belief; convincing
force’.
The phrase ‘cogent reason’ reverberates
through policy and planning case law relating to every level of government. Let’s confine our discussion to local
government in WA.
In Crisp
and the Town of Cambridge [2014] WASAT 71, the Town had a precinct policy
emphasizing ‘rear laneway access to retain existing streetscapes’. Crisp appealed against the Town’s
refusal to allow construction of double garages facing on to the street.
Member Jordan referred to what he called
‘planning orthodoxy…that relevant planning policy has presumptive effect’—i.e.
that it must be presumed to apply without exception to all relevant situations —‘and
is not to be displaced except for a cogent planning reason’. In this case no such reason had emerged, so he dismissed the
appeal.
Another phrase used interchangeably with or
alongside ‘cogent reason’ is ‘exceptional circumstance’. For a court to uphold a proposed
variation from a local government planning policy, there must be something
extraordinary in the facts supporting the proposal that would justify special
treatment.
I doubt very much that being related to an
old York family, or being counted among the friends of Crs Randell and Smythe, or
being a councillor or the spouse, partner or friend of a councillor, could be
held to constitute an exceptional circumstance.
The rule of law means, among other things,
that applicants for planning permission should receive equal consideration in
comparable circumstances regardless of who they might be.
That’s why Council’s Lewis Road decision
has created a precedent permitting residents of comparably sized properties in
the rural residential zone to have outbuildings covering a total area of 300m2.
Damave
and the Shire of Dandaragan [2008] WASAT 257 is an
oversized shed case. Shire policy
placed limits on the area of outbuildings, with scope for discretion via
special approval in the case of outbuildings covering between 162 and 216m2. Damave’s proposal, rejected by the
Shire, exceeded that upper limit.
Dismissing the applicant’s appeal for
review of the Shire’s decision, the Tribunal held that ‘in order to retain the
integrity of the policy, support for applications beyond the 216m2
limit would have to be based on exceptional circumstances. The simple desire of an applicant to
have more extensive outbuildings does not constitute an exceptional circumstance
or establish a cogent reason why the planning principles that find expression
in the policy are not relevant’.
Another oversized shed case is Wignall and City of Albany [2009] WASAT 73. In that case, the Tribunal ruled that
‘the accumulation of equipment to assist in pursuing a particular lifestyle’
doesn’t count as an exceptional circumstance.
I think that makes nonsense of the
‘lifestyle’ argument put up by our anonymous councillor to support her case for
‘flexibility’ in the matter of oversized sheds.
There are many similar cases, but I think
I’ve said enough to make my point.
Binding or not, policy isn’t a plaything.
Councillors need to take policy seriously,
and to exercise ‘flexibility’ only within the scope for flexibility that the
policy itself prescribes.
If they don’t like the policy, they have
the option to change it, but while it subsists, it shouldn’t be lightly waived,
disregarded or set aside.
Tiny People
See thread below comprising a comment from Jyoti (5/8/16 @ 22:10) and my remorseful response.
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Tiny People
See thread below comprising a comment from Jyoti (5/8/16 @ 22:10) and my remorseful response.
Based on the alleged comments and reasons provided by anonymous Councillor make v. little sense and cannot be possibly construed as an excuse to construct a huge building in the middle of a residential area.
ReplyDeleteIf this is how the Councillors are going to view the assorted planning policies, I would suggest that, that would provide York community the opportunity to do pretty much whatever they want and 'go' for it, open slather!
As the mention of keeping animals was included on the suggestion that this is a country town, and visitors might enjoy seeing 'country stuff' including animals, I think, leaves the door wide open to do with, what you will.
Visitors to town once upon a time, used to wander the streets, looking at sheep, patting horses over the fences and seeing chooks run around the various yards, until the shire 'adopted' policies from the Gosnells Shire and banned all of these animals from town. It now appears there may have been a change of mind, perhaps not only allowing people to have their animals in town again, but also just keeping them without any due regard to shire bylaws, being as "flexible" as they apparently are now. This could also go for perhaps, building those granny flats out the back, perhaps a games room for the kids, next to the new pool - that you might fence, if you felt like it.
Perhaps even build a few units, without setbacks, to provide accommodation for backpackers, overnighters, or weekenders holidaying in York, for special events, or even just a winter break. Wouldn't worry about building permits, permission, earthquake ratings. As our Council has 'flexible' policies, just do it and be damned.
Many years ago, this is exactly how a lot of these buildings etc., where put up in town, until the Shire had a moratorium and allowed everything to be passed, for a set period, after which, anything new had to pass the planning process by the, then part time building inspector. Sounds like we could be going backwards here. Old York Families should love it.
By the way, WHY hasn't the name of these 'big shed' people been published for all to see. As I understand it, this has all been discussed and passed in public meetings and so therefore is already in the public domain. Nothing to stop the publishing the name of this lucky family with lots of shire contacts.
Heard there was some ugly scenes between Fero's boyfriend's and his neighbours because he was flouting the shire rules on the keeping of animals. He had quite a McDonald's farm there for a while.
ReplyDeleteThe application from Ferro's boyfriend to keep roosters, extra chickens and a some horses was knocked back by council. No flexibility there.
Jan, I didn't publish their names because in my opinion they've done nothing wrong. Good luck to them. The only culprits are Crs Randell and Smythe and the time-serving mediocrities on Council who supported them.
ReplyDeleteHowever, their names, as you point out, are in the public domain. You can find them on the Shire's website in the relevant agenda and minutes. Try the item nos. SY044-05/16 - P1024 (OCM 23/5/16) and SY075-07/16 - P1048 (OCM 25/7/16).
Maybe I'm wrong - it happens now and again - but I think the second application was a new one, not the old one revised. In that case, neighbouring landowners should have been consulted afresh, and fresh fees charged. So far as I'm aware, neither of those things happened.
On the other hand, the Shire may have treated the second application as the first one revised. In that case, I suspect that the '3 month rule' should have been observed. That's the rule that Council can't revoke a decision until 3 months have elapsed after it was made. In this instance, only two months had elapsed. Would that invalidate the second decision?
Of course, I may well be wrong on both counts. If so, I would humbly welcome guidance from wiser heads than mine.
By the way, I may owe an apology to the good folk of York. A little bird has told me that the enforced departure from office of two senior officers of the Shire was delayed for several weeks so that the Shire wouldn't appear to be responding to pressure from the blogs. If true, that means sackcloth and ashes for David and me. How could we have acted so irresponsibly? Mea maxissima culpa!
While I accept your correct definition of the word 'cogent', you haven't taken into account York, the Shire of, has its own unique meaning for 'cogent'. If an applicant is of old York blood, that is a 'cogent' reason as far as the decision maker(s) is concerned. We're back to Grandfather policy and inherited rights of the haut monde.
ReplyDeleteWith the present Council, it began as the Randell Doctrine, but the contagion seems to have spread.
DeleteWhile we have 'old blood' as SP and Crs. who listen to other 'old blood', then yes we are going backwards.
ReplyDeleteI am over this warped inherited rights mentality. Why did they sell their farms to developers if they wanted to keep such a tight control on the town. We all pay rates and deserve equal treatment. Time the 'old york blood' had a transfusion.
James, you? Wrong? NEVER. How could that possibly be? Still, could be a little true. We all make mistakes occasionally, I'm told. And, fancy being responsible for putting pressure on the Shire, with this little blog.
ReplyDeleteMe thinks it 'mazing. Shame it doesn't happen more often. Well done.
On a brighter note. The other week I rang the Shire and requested some work and running repairs done, by the Shire workforce, on their land. Spoke to several people, v. helpful and polite and notes taken, contacts to be made.
Imagine my surprise, when just under a week after the request being made, a good portion of the shire machinery and entourage, were seen, tools in hand, making a good effort to sort problem. Approx. 45mins - 1 hour later, problems solved, area beautifully clean and tidy, and all rubbish taken away.
I thought, 'well done' to Shire Staff and was v pleased with outcome.
Incredibly, after the job had been done, I rec'd a letter from the Shire Works Manager, telling me that my request had been received and the work would be undertaken, a.s.a.p.
On this occasion, the workers beat the Works Manager to the job, but it was so nice to receive acknowledgement from the Shire, regarding my request and the work to be done.
It has been quite some time since this level of good manners and efficiency has been seen in town.
So, to Mr. Allan Rourke, Shire Works Manager. Thankyou and congratulations on yours and your staffs' efficiency, and having the good manners to write and let me know what was happening.
That's good news, Jan, and I'm only too happy to publish it. Well done to all concerned.
DeleteThis blog is always in the market for a good news story.
I'm tempted to say that the Shire is moving forwards while the Council is drifting backwards, but some might consider that mean, so I'll keep the remark to myself.
Why congratulation to Alan Rourke just because he does his job? Is that what its come to, every time the Shire staff do what they're paid to do we have to congratulate them?
ReplyDeleteAren't you missing the point, the fact they are doing what they are supposed to do is the norm anywhere else.
I wouldn't be congratulating Alan Rourke, I'd be taking my hat off to Paul Martins boot which has probably had a lot to do with Mr Rourke's new work ethic.
Why not congratulate Alan Rourke?
DeleteGood on you Jan, I say give credit where credit is due, which is exactly what Jan has done.
It hurts no one to show appreciation and acknowledge things publicly or say thank you. It makes for a better world.
Anonymous4 August 2016 at 00:49 - Do you say 'thank you' when a waitress brings your meal? Yes, of course you do because you have manners. Well, the waitress is also being paid to deliver your meal!
The issue is, things HAVE improved immensely since Ray Hooper skipped town and Mr. Martin took over.
The atmosphere in the Administration has also changed, staff are smiling.
00:49, what about putting your hand up for the Christmas working party. We can then publicly say thank you for your efforts.
We have had years when there was nothing to say thank you for, so lets be happy things have changed.
DeleteWell, I have a very different impression of Mr Rourke than what your comment conveys. He must know that so far as the Shire and Council are concerned I rank as Public Enemy No.1, but that doesn't stop him from exchanging civilities and pleasantries with me whenever he encounters me in public.
ReplyDeleteI think the point Jan was making is that Shire workers now are doing better by all of us than in former days. It's good to praise people for doing the right thing, especially if the right thing wasn't always the order of the day. It's called encouragement. Mind you, it doesn't seem to have borne fruit with every councillor...
Stop this hero worship James, it doesn't become you!
DeleteHero worship? No, no, I am not of that kind,
DeleteBut like any fair person, I speak as I find.
(This rhyming habit is hard to shake off once it has taken hold.)
Below is a question asked at the July OCM:
ReplyDelete"Question 2: Does the Working Group require a Chairperson?
Response: The Shire President replied that the Chairperson is selected to keep control of the Working Group."
There's that word control again!
What is about this council where it feels it has to be in control of everything in York, business, leisure, working groups, committees, ratepayers etc, yet without exception, everything it involves itself in fails abysmally?
Good point Anonymous, there's a nice little challenge for James, come up with a more suitable 'c' word.
Delete'Contempt' springs to mind as a description of the attitude seemingly reflected in the SP's response - not to mention the pre-emptive appointment of councillors to chair working groups and the impertinent and intrusive 'application forms' that residents who want to be involved in those groups are required to fill in. 'Coercive' also springs to mind, as does 'authoritarian'. 'Man, proud man, dressed in a little brief authority...'
DeleteThe response by Wallace to question 2 included: he did not want the meetings to become a dog's breakfast.
DeleteYes, Roma, I was there and heard him say it. Of course, it wasn't recorded in the minutes.
DeleteI heard this morning that a member of the public rang Mr Wallace to ask why the form required applicants to state how long they had lived in York. His reply was that Council didn't want 'newcomers' to be involved. So if you're a 'newcomer' to York - and who knows how long you have to live here not to be classed as a newcomer - don't bother to apply. The process has been designed to weed you out.
I would have thought that 'newcomers', with fresh ideas and a progressive outlook, would be more than welcome to take part in the working groups. Instead, it seems that preference will be given to figures from the past exhumed from the ignominy into which they have previously fallen.
Reportedly, Mr Wallace has assured two former councillors from the old days of places on the Avon Park Working Group.
How much more indication do we need that this Council is now firmly under the thumb of the old guard, of which SP Wallace is busily revealing himself to be a member?
I feel sorry for CEO Martin, a clever and honorable man. He must think he's landed in Hicksville.
Looks like we have gone back to judging people before finding out their qualifications and/or experience.
DeleteMr. Wallace has missed out on some highly qualified people with this badly designed form.
I rang Councilor Wallace and asked why the form wanted to know how long you have lived in York, his answer was he wanted people involved that had photos and information on how the river used to be. nothing about newcomers Mr Plumridge.
DeleteWhile getting photos and information about the river could be obtained by just asking the archives or museum or even some of the residents that have Ancestry here, could be done by some one who has just moved to town, its not really vital to forming a committee.
Thanks for the clarification, Darlene. My informant used the word 'newcomers'.
DeleteFrankly, I think SP Wallace's response to your question was disingenuous, which is a fancy way of saying that he was massaging the truth. What he said to you makes little or no sense.
Look at the facts. Where on the form or the Shire website is there a request for the items and information you mention? I can't find one. So why should he mention them to you in response to your excellent question, which I suspect caught him off guard?
If what he told you was true, why isn't there on the form a box to tick if you have old photos and information that might be useful to either working group?
The forms on the Shire's website should be designed as requests for help. Instead, they read like application forms for jobs - which are designed to weed people out, as well as to recruit successful candidates.
Your closing remark is absolutely on target. It gives the lie to what Mr Wallace said.
The truth seems to be that Mr Wallace wants to discourage newcomers from volunteering, or to put it another way, to make sure the working groups operate under the direction and control of sectional interests we now see that he represents.
In my view, which I suspect may be shared by one or two councillors, the chair of each working group should be elected by the members of the group, not pre-emptively by members of Council. Mr Wallace's use of the phrase 'dog's breakfast' to describe what might happen if community members were in charge was insulting and, sad to say, very revealing.
I agree that dogs breakfast probably was not the best term to use and sometimes we all say and do things without realizing the consequences.
DeleteI believe Councilor Wallace may have been a bit put of with my questions to him most people are after all I am not afraid to ask the hard ones.
But at the end of the day the document is out, was it a good move to put that question on the form in hindsight with the history of York being a "local" community CR Wallace and Mr Martin are probably kicking them selves that they didn't pick up on it with the speculation and bad PR so to speak that its causing. Being one of the THEM and Not The Us in town and I have no desire to become the Us, as I have my own mind don't listen to stupid gossip and don't Judge anyone even my enemies, The Shire of York is in the teething stage of recovery, by asking questions and not speculating we arrive at the truth of the matter there are going to be mistakes, there is going to be embarrassment, at the end of the day with what has transpired over even the last few months Councilors, Staff and LG departments now know they will be held accountable for further actions. Healing past issues is going to be tough, like the census form if you don't like the question simply don't answer it or right on the form how will how long have I been here? impact on my willingness and to volunteer and my desire to part with my ideas to make a better place for York.
I am not standing up for CR Wallace or any other Councilor or Staff, another eye over that form and inexperience with public speaking some times trips us up is it a conspiracy, I think not a stupid mistake maybe but it is better than The Ray Era Now, a few councilors need to ask themselves are they doing the best for the community are they getting all the free education that is being offered to them as councilors, are they doing their home work or are they just merely puppets, Councilor's are paid to educate themselves put in time and act legally and professionally for the ratepayers of York. Are they all doing this ? Ceo Paul Martin is not in charge of the council the ratepayers are so ask questions get answers don't speculate its not worth your time or your effort.
The trouble is, Darlene, that every time I ask questions of Council I get bullshit
Deleteanswers. I find that discouraging, to put it mildly.
I think you were given a bullshit answer, too.
When you get bullshit answers to honest questions, the best you can do is to speculate on the basis of available facts. I make no apology for doing that.
Like you, I don't go in for conspiracy theories. I think that stupidity, incompetence, greed, hunger for power and control, and occasionally malice, are more than sufficient to account for everything that goes wrong in the world.
You're right to say that the RH Era has drawn to a close and that things are better in York than they used to be. I've been saying that for months. But there are worrying signs that some of the old songs are being played again. I shall continue to point that out on the blog - and to speculate, if I have to.
If my speculations are wrong, I'm always open to correction. I'm happy to publish opposing points of view.
Right James lets get to the bottom of this breakdown of communication, who told you that the SP mention the word 'newcomers'?
DeleteIts important we discover the source of misinformation so we can exclude them, knowing that what they say is likely to be rubbish.
When you publish these false statements it completely discredits you, the blog and more importantly the other contributors.
Who was it....time to name and shame.
1. I never reveal the names of informants unless they give me permission to do so. I have received no such permission.
Delete2. There is no 'breakdown in communication'. The use of the word 'newcomers' was unfortunate, but the Shire President's response to Darlene's question seems sufficiently disingenuous to indicate that my informant may not have been too far off the mark.
3. I have yet to be convinced that I have in this case 'published a false statement'. What is certain is that nobody has yet shown what I have published to be false, though I accept that it may turn out in due course to be wrong or misleading. I am very willing to publish a rebuttal of anything published on the blog.
4. To say that a 'false statement' published on the blog 'completely discredits' me, the blog and other contributors is merely silly. People make mistakes. They get things wrong. We all do. When you make a mistake or get something wrong, does that 'completely discredit' you?
For your information Anonymous 9 August at 22:24, a 'GOOD' reporter never discloses their information source, so there is a chance we may find out who the snake is.
DeleteMy informant is not a 'snake'. S/he provided the information, and I accepted and used it, in good faith. I don't claim to be a 'good reporter', whatever you think that may be. I do the best I can while contending with Council's predilection for secrecy and concealment. Anyway, the blog isn't a newspaper but a vehicle for opinion and comment.
DeleteAs I've already said, the word 'newcomers' may have been misleading, but I take no comfort from other disparaging remarks SP Wallace definitely has made about members of the wider community. I allude here to his expressed view that councillors must chair the working groups 'to keep control' and to stop group meetings from turning into 'a dog's breakfast'.
I'm also concerned by reports that he has promised membership of one of the groups to two former councillors, one of whom through his own treacherous efforts is very much on the nose with many York residents. If true, it is extraordinary that SP Wallace would take it upon himself to allocate those positions before applications have closed.
If those reports are untrue, let him say so. I will be only too glad to publish his correction.
I think Darlene asked that question, it is a good question and I am surprised at the Presidents response. By the way did Darlene ever get a new dress from the Shire after they ripped hers up?
ReplyDeleteJames you are using to many university words with all the isams and ians and i dont know who anomymous is I think you tried to tell then before about Darlenes dress and yes it was voted that that she will not get a new dress but she did receive a brand new whatchamacallit in place of it but i thing it was the wrong color and at great expense to the ratepayers she was given another whatchamacallits now she has two whatchamacallits now that should clear up the dress problem But i think that be a problem anouy moust will not be happy in that she has been given to many whatchamcllits Sorry James to do it to you but i will let you explain what a whatchamallit but please dont use to many big university words some people just dont get it
ReplyDeleteMarvellous rant, Beven. Have you been taking lessons from Cr Randell? If so, where are the exclamation marks?
DeleteI've no idea what a whatchamacallit is but if I find out I'll let you know.
Sorry about the sesquipedalian words. I'll try to do better in future.
A whatchamacallit is similar to a thingymejig.
DeleteMy Mum used to ask me to find both these items for her when she was cooking.
They were always kept in the kitchen drawer.
They were only ever needed when she was very very tired.
I'm surprised that neither one of you from opposing ends of the academia scale don't know what a whatchamacallits is - 'duh'! A whatchamallit is a thingamabob or a thingamyjig - an inanimate object, a 'thing' with no signs of life, i.e. Trevor Randell could be described as a whatchamallit.
DeleteWhereas a whatchamacallum is usually used in reference to a living person, for instance, one could say; - 'who's the arrogant bald short plump man with the white beard and looks like a garden gnome, you know the one, - whatchamacallum - used to be Shire President'.
Yes Beven, I agree with James, a "marvelous rant", do you know if Darlene was wearing the dress at the time of the ripping and did you play any part in the ordeal, maybe a tiny little tug when no one was looking? Was the dress placed in a freezer afterwards for forensic purposes?
Beven, regarding your comments concerning ' isams and ians', I believe you may have meant 'isms and ions'. You need to appreciate that a lifetime of learning and academia takes its toll on a savant. In most cases, an afflicted person has no control over their actions, with little or no understanding of how annoying the constant use of 'ism's and ion's' has on the reasonable person.
You may be interested to learn that the condition for the involuntary use of 'university' words, 'isms and ions', where the use of the words becomes the norm and part of everyday life is known as phalluscaputism, this condition can be likened to the involuntary lexis from those who suffer with tourettes syndrome.
Phalluscaputism can also be attributed as the reason why some people suffer from discursiveness, people suffering from discursiveness can appear to be vacant or pensive, quite often they cannot remember the point they were trying to make in the first place.
People suffering from phalluscaputism need help and support, for instance, stick with using words which don't end with ism or ion, try to use short words with no more than six letters and two syllables, sometimes this can confuse and shock them back to normality.
Thanks, Mr Swipe, for your elegant, erudite and enlightening disquisition.
DeleteI have to confess that the word 'phalluscaputism' is new to me. I have scoured various dictionaries in vain to discover its precise meaning. I think you must have made it up. If so, I would say that use of the word 'phallus' as the first element of the word indicates that you have a passion for Greek roots.
Am I right to suspect that your phrase 'a tiny little tug' is drawn from personal experience?
I think R Swipe has carelessly had a little bash (no pun intended) at Latin, maybe 'phalluscaputism' should read phalluscapitisism, if I'm correct, I would have to agree with him, Mr Swipe that is.
DeleteWell, Anonymous at 01:03, all I can say is that if you had half my brains, you'd be twice as smart as you are.
DeleteDoes that means he's a quarter as smart as you?
DeleteYes, if he's lucky.
DeleteR. Swipe - Whatchamallits, thingamabobs and thingamyjigs are all very real things. In the 1940's my Mother and Father both used these items regularly, as did many other parents at the time.
DeleteI inherited them.
I've got it.....phalluscapitisism is latin for dickhead.
DeleteNo, it isn't. If a Roman wanted to call you 'dickhead' he would probably have used the word 'mentula'. Or he might have said 'penicule' (vocative of 'peniculus'), implying a deficiency in size.
Delete'Caput' is certainly Latin for 'head', but 'phallus' is a word of Greek origin, although it might have wormed its way into everyday Latin - I don't know.
I am pleased to see Latin being used again in York.
DeleteThe Latin painted on the side of the building in the main street was brilliant and I miss it. Gave York a real touch of class.
Trouble was Ray Hooper and his merry band of equally uneducated cohorts spat their dummies. Silly buggers none of them had a sense of humour.
Well James that just proves the fact. That you dont learn a thing from going to university.Sorry upper learning . Sorry HIGHER EDUCACTION.I HATE BIG WORDS,I could never get the spelling right'. But you have created a bigger problem ?If you dont know what a [whatchamacallit] is how are you going to find one ?And to put me in that camp is a bit ruff,./?::<>[][]
ReplyDeleteWith all this attention to policy I think now would be a good time to discuss policy regarding dwarfism and the rights of some to live in a small house with a small shed. To a dwarf, a conventional house is totally disproportionate cubically to the size of the inhabitant. Ceiling height for instance, even with an extended extension pole, shifting cobwebs is an impossibility, as relatively speaking, the ceiling is twice the height as that to that of a normal person and let me assure you, changing a light bulb is like taking a trip into the stratosphere.
ReplyDeleteDoors, what's the point of having a door height opening of two meters when half that will do, the bottom half of a stable door for instance would suffice. Another interesting irony, why is a door width of 720mm found to be adequate for standard homes when the majority of people are obese, surely with today's increasing levels of obesity a wider door opening of at least 1200mm should be considered in policy?
A policy should allow a dwarf to build a house half the height of a current standard home, this would mean a dwarfs house could be 2 story but no higher than a standard home, another advantage with a 2 story house half the height, is the window cleaner wouldn't need a ladder.
And I don't take kindly to dwarfs being likened to gnomes goblin elves, tawdry behavior and something best left to the authorities! And while on the subject of objectionable behavior, its dwarfs not dwarves, it may come as a great surprise, but the correct spelling of the plural of “dwarf” is “dwarfs”, not “dwarves”.
Admittedly, when an English noun ends with a single “f” in the singular, the “f” usually changes to “v” in the plural, as in: calf – calves; half – halves; wife – wives, however, there are exceptions to the rule, e.g. roof – roofs; chief – chiefs, and for obvious reasons - my favourite oaf – oafs.
As a person who operates on a higher spiritual plane (ivory tower to the non-believer) than most, I feel highly qualified to comment and object to your constant reference to my friends, the gnomes, pixies, fairies, elves and leprechauns.
As moderator of this valuable medium, and knowing full well my friends have no internet, hopefully, from now on, the merciless onslaught of disparaging comments on social media of those who cannot defend themselves will end.
Blessings
My sincere apologies, Jyoti, for having inadvertently given offence to your little friends, be they dwarves, elfins, pixies, leprechauns, fairies, goblins, trolls, sprites, wills-of the-wisp, kobolds, nibelungen or other shy denizens of dingles, dells and the earth's nether regions.
DeleteI shall try to make amends by posting under the current article a photograph of a gnome, and another of the Cottingley Beck fairies made famous by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle nearly a hundred years ago.
Respectfully, I must take issue with your assertion that 'dwarfs' is the only correct plural of 'dwarf'. In this connection, may I suggest that you get busy with your Ouija board and consult the shade of the late Walt Disney, whose celebrated movie 'Snow White and the Seven Dwarves' brought us so much innocent joy in our childhood days?
In the words of my leprechaun friend Seamus O'Carroty -
'May the road rise to meet you
May the wind be always at your back
May the warm rays of sun fall upon your home
And may the hand of a friend always be near.'
(Especially that last bit.)
Touché, but I beg to differ, in the foreword to The Hobbit, published in 1937, J R R Tolkien writes: "In English, the only correct plural of 'dwarf' is 'dwarfs'.
DeleteI'd take the word of an Englishman over the word of an American any day of the week.
Don't bother arguing or I'll sprinkle you with fairy dust and magic you away!
As a person of distant Hobbit descent who identifies as a Hobbit - and therefore, according to contemporary identity politics, has an unassailable right to be known as one - I'm reluctant to take issue with The Shire's great historian the late Professor Tolkien. I will only say that it is an established convention of English spelling that words ending in 'f' - e.g. 'leaf' and 'wolf' - tend to assume plural forms with '-ves'.
DeleteThat said, Tolkien did use the word 'dwarves' to distinguish the descendants of that ancient race from their legendary ancestors. He even suggested that 'dwarvish' might eventually replace the adjective 'dwarfish'(so far as I know, it hasn't). See Appendix F to 'Lord of the Rings'.
As a scholar (and creator) of languages, Tolkien knew that sooner or later, as languages evolve, linguistic paths will come to be laid where people walk.
So you know what you can do with your magic dust!
I'd pay top dollar for that Game of Thrones statue, then have it enlarged and request permission from the council to place it in Peace Park. The likeness to a former councilor is uncanny.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous6 August 2016 at 02:41 -I like to go to Peace Park to relax. Lets not spoil it.
ReplyDeleteWasn't it enough that we had to put up with the grumpy old fart shouting at everyone when he was a councillor, without being confronted with a look alike hiding in the shrubbery.
Are you suggesting the 'grumpy old fart' used to hide in shrubbery, if so, for what purpose?
ReplyDeleteWas he pinching the buds?
I doubt anyone in York wants to see effigies of the grumpy old fart anywhere in York, let alone Peace Park.
DeleteWasn't that Mt. Brown?
DeleteIt so happens that some anonymous person has kindly supplied me with a photo of the same gnome sunbathing on the slopes of Mt Brown.
DeleteUnfortunately, the image, being anatomically correct, is too explicit for display on this blog. It would frighten young readers and others of a nervous disposition.
Go on display the image, I'm sure the young readers have seen it all and worse.
DeleteTHIS CONVERSATION IS A WASTE OF SPACE
ReplyDeleteMaybe so, but it's my space, to do what I like with.
DeleteAlso, it's cyberspace, which means there's no shortage of it.
The conversation is just a bit of fun. Nobody has to take it seriously. I certainly don't.
What exactly are you objecting to?
James, I believe Anonymous 7 August-04:14 has little or no compassion for dwarfs and is definitely Grumpy and not Happy. This could be attributed to a condition known as achondroplasiaphobia, a relatively rare condition, but one which can be cured.
DeleteAnonymous 0414 - try strapping a pair of large slippers to your knees then walk around in circles on your knees until the fear goes away, don't forget to whistle while you do this.
Good luck
Enough of this adolescent banter. The conversation has taken an undignified turn. Shame on you all!
DeleteJames I told you that anoy moust would not be happy and its yelling at us. IM NOT HAPPY .Im sorry I shouldnt have said that darlene got a second whatchamacallit.Perhaps we could have a crowd fund and buy anony moust a whatchamacallit .They only come in blue its a boy thing, so if anoy moust is a girl we could paint it pink .The shire admin used smoke and mirrors when darlene got hers and told her was pink when infact it was blue . James you could ask the shire admin to present to anouy moust If its presented by them anouy moust will come out of the building total confused And James I write is way only to make you and the other look good
ReplyDeleteThanks, Beven, for your continuing support. In these perilous times, it is greatly appreciated. I only wish I could understand what you're on about.
DeleteIts Monday morning, back to reality.
ReplyDeleteA girlfriend informed me that Pat Hooper, Rob Cameron and Gordon Marwick have formed a group which is lobbying for a 'boardwalk' to be constructed by the Shire, between the swing bridge and Balladong.
Rob Cameron is the lessee and operator of the York Carriage Diner, which would explain his interest in the construction of the 'boardwalk. Rob Cameron has sub-leased the Diner and now collects a healthy amount of rental income from the sub-lessee, while still paying a peppercorn rent to the Shire. Nice work if you can get it!
Pat Hooper has brazenly stated that he has already been offered a seat on the new Avon Park Working Group, apparently by Councillor Wallace who has assured him of a position, I would be very surprised if Cr Wallace would do such a thing!
I think Pat Hooper should be made to understand that he was a major player in the governance team which brought this town down, sadly, his arrogance does not allow him to display any humility whatsoever.
No more Pat, he would be detrimental to any group.
Was Mr Hooper required, like the rest of us, to fill in one of those ridiculous forms?
ReplyDeleteIf not, we're certainly going backwards in York.
Who designed the form?
DeleteWhy do people offering their time to help the Town have to put their age and how long they have lived in York on the form? Do either really matter? I don't think so.
I was more than a little surprised that the form doesn't demand production of a police clearance and working with children certificate.
DeleteWho designed it? From personal experience, I'd say somebody with an authoritarian personality and superior attitude who has worked for TAFE or a similar training institution.
I think the form will discourage many people who might otherwise have volunteered their services for the working parties. My advice is, just fill in your name and contact details, adding a short summary of your reasons for wanting to help and how much time you are prepared to put in. If you have a preference for a particular kind of job, mention that too.
We'll have to wait and see. If the rumour is true, then you can be sure that Mr Hooper would have been asked to go through the motions and complete an official application to ensure the illusion of transparency continues.
ReplyDeleteTime will tell, although, exactly how we'll ever know if untoward behavior has taken place, I don't know.
Pat Hooper had his chance twice to do some good for York and he failed dismally on both occasions.
DeleteIf this is true, it is not worth lodging an application.
ReplyDeleteHow can Shire President Wallace assure Pat Hooper he will be on the Avon Park Working group? The applications have not closed yet.
The system sucks, why bother.
For the love of God!!!! I have had resolve of one of my issues from the shire and for all your information it cost the ratepayers not one cent, as it was a refund of money that was unlawfully acquired by the shire and has been repaid.
ReplyDeleteThe Dress!!!!!!!! give me strength was used as an analogy!!!! for the REVENGE complaints department that was operating in the Shire of York. If you returned a garment or for other words had a complaint in Target or another clothing shop, you would have your funds refunded or your problem addressed, this was used to show how ineffective the Shire of York's complaints management processes were, further information Mr Meridith has always been a gentleman and has never acted inappropriately in my company and would never be as brash to rip a woman's dress. Goodness me wont the rumour mill go mad now. Though issues are still to be resolved, I live in hope that one day York gets it right, sadly from what I have read thus far we are still in the teething stage a tad further forward than we have been.
I thought analogy was a reaction to a bee sting, pollen or a type of food etc, if so, whats that got to do with a ripped dress?
DeleteThe money did come out of ratepayers pockets 100% Darlene. You did not pay any of the money in the first place, your bank did when the property was sold out from under you. If anyone should have received those funds back it should have been your bank, never you. It was totally wrong of Council to approved the funds going back to you.
DeleteDear Anonymous 8 August 2016 at 18:15
DeleteYour statement says more about you than it does about me.
1. You’re a shire X worker or have had conversation with said shire X worker, because there is remark that you would only have the privilege of knowing if you were said X shire worker.
2. The money was paid by the bank on my behalf. So therefore is not ratepayer’s money.
3. You are correct as the bank paid the funds the bank would get the money back.
4. What you failed to mention is that while you were trying to do me for fraud, amongst other things (as per FOI documentation) as the bank had already informed you that the funds were to be paid to me.
5. What I will inform you of is that should you continue your behaviour by divulging privileged information from a place of employ, even though you have left, you just may find yourself in a precarious position. This is the second time you have divulged information on this blog. I also wish to inform you that even though you no longer work for the shire, you can still be held accountable. Under the name of anonymous, does not give you ambiguity should I take the matter further, it only stops the average Joe Blow from discovering your ID. That's how they catch criminals.
6.It is totally wrong for you to interfere personally in my matters, and is just another expression of why the Shire got into the mess it did, unqualified revengeful natures, with no comprehension of confidentiality.
7. It was also totally wrong of yourself as a X shire worker, to disregard letters from Minister Simpson, Council, and Council Lawyers, this in turn costing ratepayers for unnecessary work, FOI (the real cause for FOI staff incompetence especially when you get answers from one party and totally different from incompetent nasty vindictive staff member) not to mention time that could have been directed elsewhere. Your right the community should be outraged not at me but at the total lack of professionalism in handling my (private) affairs with the Shire, not to mention other people in town that needed to sort their affairs that also should have been confidential.
8. If you’re going to sling mud, at least have the moral fire of stating your name.
9. You are not a victim you are a perpetrator. This is also evident in your statement as it has been almost a year since this was sorted you claiming you were made to do things. Who's making you now? you no longer work for the shire?
10. If you want to keep this going I will be only too happy to continue, but your statement shows you don't think before you put pen to paper, contradictions in your statement above prove that it can’t be the ratepayer’s money and the banks at the same time. FOI documentation will expose your vindictiveness. I have mentioned this matter to the shire and have every intention of follow up. Hopefully you are more confidential in your next role. But somehow I doubt it, as I said.................... THIS SAIS MORE ABOUT YOU THAN IT DOES ABOUT ME........ Shame.
For all those that say move on Darlene!!!!!!!!!!! You can now see the constant, moronic, vindictive people I have had to deal with, on an issue that has totally nothing to do with them, if anything it is between the bank and I, never an issue for a vindictive manipulating person (or People) that thinks their position gives them the power to manipulate the system.
Anonymous8 August 2016 at 02:01 - give it a break. Suggest you spend more time improving your spelling.
ReplyDeleteEnough is enough.
I think you should 'give it a break' LDP, suggest you spend more of your time recognizing a good sense of humour! Lighten up you dullard!
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ReplyDeleteWhat is a whatchamacallit? A whatchamacallit could either be some sort of a tool that can be used for stirring or a type of burley to get the fish biting